Thread Name: MODERN LIBRARY-BOOK CLUB EDITIONS From: davidfrohde at hughes.net (DAVID FARRAGUT ROHDE) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:49:00 -0800 GOOD EVENING And I hope I am on the correct avenue, to ask a question about Modern Library Editions. I am buying many editions on AbeBooks. Very often the commentary about the book for sale reflect "BOOK CLUB EDITION" I am ignorant if such is really a Modern LIbrary or if it is copyrighted Modern LIbrary but actually a Book Club Edition. Please excuse me ignorance, but sure would appreciate anyone helping me out. Thanks very much David ------------------------------------- From: willthemad at aol.com (Bill Hornick) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 08:26:50 -0500 (EST) David, There are no book-club editions of Modern Library books prior to the 1990s (bindings #17 or #G10 or unique editions). These listings are dealer errors. Bill Hornick ------------------------------------- From: kamins at modernlib.com (Scot Kamins) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:20:26 -0800 As far as I know, there were no book club editions in the classic period that ModernLib covers. Interestingly enough, book clubs used to give MLs away as bonuses. Here's a ModernLib article about it (listed in the index as Book Club Bonuses): http://www.modernlib.com/General/brochures/BOMC/BOMC39.html ------------------------------------- From: pecksgrove at aol.com (Don Eveland) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:57:00 -0600 Be careful to not overpay. I have seen books like Anthology of American Negro Literature, w/o dj for $90 whereas I got mine with dj for less than $15. ML books are great literature with a huge variety of types of covers and Duet Jackets. Notice I am stressing Dust Jacket. Literally yours Don Eveland ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:45:36 -0500 Bill and David, Middlemarch, by George Eliot, in the woodcut (1984, spine G9) was issued in a BOMC edition. It comes with these unique features for a woodcut: No price, blank end papers, the ISBN on the copyright page, no SBN on the jacket back, "Printed in the USA" on the jacket back, and no list of titles on the inside of the jacket. BOMC is indicated on the copyright page. The first edition of this woodcut (March 1984) is a standard woodcut with checkerboard end papers, SBN on jacket, no ISBN on copyright page, $15.95 price (although Henry indicates $10.95 for the first, I have only observed the $15.95 price on jackets covering first editions). ron ------------------------------------- From: willthemad at aol.com (Bill Hornick) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:34:40 -0500 (EST) Ron and David, Thank you for the correction, Ron. I forgot about this first book-club edition. My copy does have the $10.95 price. It also has the ISBN on both the jacket back and the copyright page. It also has a list of titles on the inverse of the dust jacket. Apparently there are two varieties. Bill ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:46:18 -0500 Hi Bill, Your Middlemarch has the BOMC indication on the copyright page then? It sounds like, maybe, that is a non-BOMC jacket on a BOMC book? Rather than a different variety it may just be a mixture of the two (for whatever reason). I wonder if the price dropped later, from $15.95 to $10.95. Or, went the expected way and all the first edition books I have seen had a later jacket (with the new higher price). Thus a first jacket has $10.95, which seems most likely. ron ------------------------------------- From: willthemad at aol.com (Bill Hornick) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:22:14 -0500 (EST) Ron, Apologies again. It has been a tough morning. My 1984 copy of Middlemarch, spine G9, is just the regular edition with the woodcut, $10.95 price, printed endpapers and ISBN numbers and list on the inverse. I confused it with the book-club edition of Middlemarch, G10, the A&E Companion Volume, no price, that is a book-club edition. I am learning not to trust my memory since I have reached over 2000 ML books. Again, my apologies. Bill ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:36:29 -0500 Hi Bill, Good grief, over 2000! I have a picture of your collection, but not sure if you were at 2000 yet when it was taken. No problem on Middlemarch. It is interesting, though, that the jacket has the $10.95 price. Is the book a first edition? I've seen more than one FMLEd of this title with a $15.95 jacket. ron ------------------------------------- From: willthemad at aol.com (Bill Hornick) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:43:08 -0500 (EST) Ron, Yes, it is a stated March 1984 First Modern Library Edition. The photo(s?) I shared were not the complete collection; it takes at least thirteen photos to show everything. Bill ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:11:17 -0500 Hi Bill, I have three pics from 4 years ago. Interestingly, I see the Middlemarch! With the other giant woodcuts, two shelves above the Chronicles. Everyone else, Does anyone have an MLFEd for the Middlemarch woodcut, and if so what price is on the front jacket flap? Thanks. ron ------------------------------------- From: brianlemasters at gmail.com (Brian LeMasters) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:39:39 -0600 Ron, My woodcut Middlemarch: FMLed, March 1984, ISBN is shown on copyright page, checkerboard endpapers. Flap shows $15.95. Brian ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:19:06 -0500 Thanks Brian. Thanks makes 3 known MLFEd with $15.95, and 1 MLFEd with $10.95 (not counting Henry's assertion). It should also be asked then: does anyone have a non-first AND non-BOMC Middlemarch with a price on the front jacket flap, and if so what is the price? ron ------------------------------------- From: neavill at wayne.edu (Gordon Barrick Neavill) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:39:47 -0500 (EST) My copy makes two with MLFE and $10.25. The ISBN on my copy is 0-394-69507-1. Is that the same ISBN that appears on $15.95 copies? In the early days of ISBNs some publishers improperly linked the ISBN to the retail price and changed the ISBN when they raised the price. Barry ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:08:21 -0500 Barry, that's a good question. Your Middlemarch has an ISBN instead of the SBN? I thought all woodcuts had SBNs, but I did a quick check of my copies. Of the twelve woodcuts I have (including Huck Finn) the distribution is: 7 - SBN on jacket 4 - ISBN on jacket 1 - ISBN on copyright page, not on jacket (BOMC) My Middlemarch ISBN is 0-394-60507-1. This different ISBN is the BOMC with no price. ron ------------------------------------- From: skinnygypsy at yahoo.com (Chad Bernu) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:26:06 -0600 I've got a copy from Henry with a $10.95 price. I'd have to get an (I)SBN when I get home - if it's needed. Chad ------------------------------------- From: brianlemasters at gmail.com (Brian LeMasters) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:24:28 -0600 a follow-up to be thorough... Mine shows 0-394-605071 on the rear panel of the dust jacket and on the copyright page, centered below the LCC data which shows " PR4662.A1 1984 823'.8 83-22161 ". I interpret this as published in 1984. I am not sure, but I thought the 83-22161 was the old way the LOC number was written, starting with the year cataloged...may be wrong about that. The price of $15.95 is on the inside flap. I cannot tell you if it was the first printing. I assumed it was, but I would pick the lower priced jackets as the first printing if they were side-by-side on the shelf. Brian ------------------------------------- From: ron at scribblemonger.com (Ron Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:45:34 -0500 Brian, that matches what I found... the $15.95 jacket is associated with the 605071 ISBN (as is the BOMC edition). An image is attached. I agree that the $10.95 is likely the first state jacket. ron ------------------------------------- From: neavill at wayne.edu (Gordon Barrick Neavill) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:13:43 -0500 (EST) Brian, The Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication program catalogs many new books based on information from the publisher, galley proofs, etc., prior to publication -- this is how newly published books can include the LC call number (PR4662.A1 1984) in the first printing. The LC number begins with 83- which indicates that LC cataloged it 1983. Cataloging in Publication records are not complete -- they don't include a pagination statement, for example, since the final determination of that usually comes shortly before books are printed. Barry -------------------------------------